Let's talk with Jim-san. Part22

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340(3): xerxes.maido3.net＠Apparently admin ★ 2014/02/20(木)14:07 ID:??? AAS
>>333
They should not be trading drugs there.
I think it is ok to talk about their experiences
this is quite different than selling drugs.

I have a question. How do they sell if they are anonymous?
They must be putting their contact information.
That is against the deletion guideline.
These posts can be deleted.

341: 2014/02/20(木)14:09 ID:wQOSDn3Q(2/4) AAS
>>321
おまえ馬鹿すぎて話しにならん
元の板に帰れよ

TOPみてこいな
ここへのリンク貼られてるから
外部ﾘﾝｸ:www.bunka.go.jp

意味理解できないなら死ね

342: 2014/02/20(木)14:10 ID:6s1Qkqf+(14/22) AAS
>>338 I stand corrected. Yes affiliate blogs do partial usage, so it is not copy OK.
たしかにそうですね。アフィ系は部分的に抽出をしているので copy OK には該当しません。

343: xerxes.maido3.net＠Apparently admin ★ 2014/02/20(木)14:10 ID:??? AAS
>>339
That is very common law. Use without
permission is not allowed by common law.
Commercial use should not be allowed without
permission.

344: 2014/02/20(木)14:11 ID:HgrJ8oxI(26/33) AAS
my idea (summary)

- 2ch.net have affiliate/ad ID
- 2ch will deploy aff/ad ID (for 2ch) to blogs, each by each
- some earn begins dropped in 2ch
- blogs who accept such ID will be given 'official' seal
- 2ch totalize each income, and show 'thanks' ranking on web.

345(1): 2014/02/20(木)14:11 ID:VZRrOJmX(3/4) AAS
>>340
they write a free mail address ,gmail, yahoo, etc. it still lain.

346(4): 2014/02/20(木)14:12 ID:jJRXHXkO(2/2) AAS
>>339
I think commentary sites talking about threads, discussing, and summarizing them is very good.
I think sites that copy 100% of the dats and display them exactly like on 2ch are bad.

347(1): 2014/02/20(木)14:15 ID:ukpOGVec(9/11) AAS
>>332
俺も高速クロールだと思う。
お金貰ってないなら、とりあえず、はじいたらいいんじゃないかな？

そしたら、向こうから連絡来ると思う。

あと、まとめサイトに関しては、直接、２ちゃんねるの収入になる広告を１つ貼り付けることを条件に
開放してもいいんじゃないかと思う。

348: 2014/02/20(木)14:16 ID:HgrJ8oxI(27/33) AAS
>>340 意訳
>>333 それって、取引じゃないんだろ？
使用体験とか語るのはいいんじゃねーの、売るのと違って

聞くけど、匿名同士でどうやって売るの？連絡とり合わないとだよな？
それってガイドラインに反する(削除適用)よね？削除されるはずだろ

# ばっちり説明できる奴、たのむ！

349: 2014/02/20(木)14:18 ID:osrriSwL(9/25) AAS
>>326
>If 2ch made all the old dats free for everyone, then will you still visit the copy blogs?

Legally, as far as I know 2 channel has already adopted the license free because it puts (外部ﾘﾝｸ:www.bunka.go.jp on the top page.
But if people want to make a summary as a copy blog, they must have the permission from 2channel.

350: 2014/02/20(木)14:19 ID:HgrJ8oxI(28/33) AAS
仕事中なのでjaで

>>346
丸コピーしてるのに、寄与してないところは、自然と排除される流れになってくれないかな

>>347
競わせよーぜｗｗ

351(1): xerxes.maido3.net＠Apparently admin ★ 2014/02/20(木)14:19 ID:??? AAS
>>339
There is something called "Fair use."
Would not that apply to ordinary people
(not nerds)?

352: 2014/02/20(木)14:19 ID:6s1Qkqf+(15/22) AAS
>>340 they use jargons to specify the drug name, and they post either
throw-away email addresses or SNS contact IDs.

Usually we (削除要請板people) turn downs the request saying that
"deleting post does not do any thing. The law enforcement should
stop being lazy and hunt down the owner of the contact addresses."

See below URL for deletion requests.
2chｽﾚ:saku2ch

All entries coming from "IHC" comes enforcement-related (note:
they are retired law enforcement officers sucking money from
the government for doing sloppy job).

353(3): 346 2014/02/20(木)14:20 ID:MdEfa7MI(3/8) AAS
>>346
I totally agree with you.
Jim-san should ban some sites that copy whole data from 2ch and store it.
Here's example : 外部ﾘﾝｸ:www.logsoku.com
They are copying whole contents from 2ch and store.
However, I think these sites will not work if you make the old data of 2ch free..
Moreover, as >>346 said, the blogs that copied from 2ch is really popular now in Japan and some of them are really useful.

354(2): xerxes.maido3.net＠Apparently admin ★ 2014/02/20(木)14:21 ID:??? AAS
>>345
Those free use email sites already have
deals with the government for giving out
information. Why does not the government
ask them directly? It seems that is the
easiest solution to catch those criminals.

355: ”削除”要請板住民 2014/02/20(木)14:23 ID:6s1Qkqf+(16/22) AAS
I usually live in the saku2ch board (削除要請板) (but with no official capacity),
so I see deletion requests a lot.

357(1): xerxes.maido3.net＠Apparently admin ★ 2014/02/20(木)14:24 ID:??? AAS
>>353
Yes, don't you think common sense should
apply? Those that are taking advantage
for commercial use should pay.
The past logs will be made free. That
should be a good solution. When there
is money, I do intend to go after logsoku.

358: 2014/02/20(木)14:25 ID:osrriSwL(10/25) AAS
>>354
The problem is that some volunteers have been reluctant to delete postings which violate law in Japan.
Thus, management of 2cannel was investigated by police agencies.

359(2): 2014/02/20(木)14:27 ID:h+cdOzUp(2/3) AAS
誰かこれについて聞いてほしい
営利目的の2chまとめブログに関してはひろゆきが一応黙認という形で承認を出してる
この部分は白紙になるのか？
外部ﾘﾝｸ[html]:www.2ch.net

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