[過去ﾛｸﾞ] スピンサーブを会得するスレ Part.3 [無断転載禁止] [無断転載禁止]©2ch.net (340ﾚｽ)
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110(2): 2017/01/15(日)01:02 ID:aW3ccgff(1/4) AAS
グリップ変えると腕の振りが変わるって、むしろ当たり前じゃないか？
同じコースのボールを打つのにグリップが少し違えば自然に少し違う振り方になるだろ
例えばハンマーで釘を打つのにあえてグリップを少しずらした状態を想像してみればいい
変わらないと思うほうが不思議だ
111: 2017/01/15(日)01:10 ID:bYkFf8dd(1/3) AAS
>>107
ドラムやったことあるけど、まさかテニスのグリップに例えるとか面白いな。
そんな発想なかったよ、そのままつづけてくれ。
フレンチグリップ
ジャーマングリップ←これ
アメリカングリップ
レギュラーグリップは関係ないよな。
112(1): 2017/01/15(日)01:41 ID:bYkFf8dd(2/3) AAS
>>110
話の始まりが「通常のスピンとキックの打ち方で意識的に変えているところは何？」>>97なんだが
スピンとキックで当然腕の振る方向が違う。ボールとコンタクトするところが違う。トス位置が違う。
上体の傾き加減や開き具合も、微妙に違う。
でもグリップは同じでも打てる。
ウエスタンからコンチに変えたら、それはフォームごと変わるでしょ。
113(1): 2017/01/15(日)01:53 ID:aW3ccgff(2/4) AAS
>>112
だからさ、君は同じグリップで他の要素を変えて打ち分けてるけど、グリップを微妙に変えることで打ち分けてる人もいるってだけの話でしょ
俺は別にどちらも否定しないよ
実際のフォームがどうであれ、質問された「サーブの打ち方の意識」は人それぞれ千差万別なんだから。ちゃんとキックするならどっちでもいいわけ
ちなみに俺は>>98じゃないよ
114(1): 2017/01/15(日)02:11 ID:bYkFf8dd(3/3) AAS
>>113
そのとうりだと思うよ。グリップを微妙に変えることで打ち分けてる人も分かる。
でも、
グリップをどう変えるの？薄くするとか、厚くするとか、
前腕とラケットの角度を変えるとかでしょ。
そこからどうやってキックサーブのフォームが導き出されるの？
115: 2017/01/15(日)02:19 ID:aW3ccgff(3/4) AAS
>>114
それは俺はわからんので>>98の登場を待とう
俺が言いたかったのは、グリップを変えると腕の振りも自然に変わるよね(ハンマーの例)ってことと、グリップ変えて打ち分ける人がいても別にいいよねってことだけ
まあ現実にはグリップを変えることで腕の振りだけじゃなく打点やらフォームやらが全体的に変わるだろうから、結果的にはキックが打てる人のフォームにちゃんとなっているのだろう
>>98は、ただ質問されたからちょっとしたコツとして自分の意識の持ち方を教えただけだと思うよ
116(1): 2017/01/15(日)06:03 ID:oQI9zusc(1/2) AAS
>>110
いや、その例えは不適当かと。
持ち方変えても当たり方同じにするから振り方が変わるのであって、グリップ変えるのは振り方同じでも当たり方変えるためではなかろうかと。
例えるならハンマーの角度変えたら振り方同じでも釘の当たり方が変わり、釘の刺さっていこうとする方向は変わる、でしょ。振り方変えて釘真後ろから打ってたら無意味
117(1): 2017/01/15(日)07:12 ID:aW3ccgff(4/4) AAS
>>116
あのね、ほんと何度も言うけど、俺は>>98じゃないし、どんな意識やフォームであってもちゃんとキックするならそれでいいじゃないという考え。
ある人は「グリップはそのままでフォームその他を変えないとキックサーブにならない」と考えるようだし、君はもしかすると「グリップをずらしつつも同じ振りをし、当て方を変えることでキックさせる」という意識を持っているのかもしれない。
いいんだよそれで。自分の思いどおりにキックするんなら。
>>98は、グリップを変えることによってほんの少しの角度差でキックするのになんで大振りするのか、的なことを言っただけで、ボールのどこを叩くとかフォームがどうということには言及してないので、我々にはわからんのよ。
また俺のハンマーの例えは、グリップを変えてもボールの同じ位置を叩くという場合を想定して説明したまでで、彼の意識と同じかどうかは知らん。
変な持ち方をして釘を打つと、まっすぐ釘の頭に当てたつもりでも釘が曲がりそうな気がしないか？それと同じようにボールに違った成分の回転がかかることもあるのかなと思って書いただけだ。
もう頼むからグリップをずらす打ち方への質問は発案者の>>98に直接聞いてくれ。
118: 2017/01/15(日)07:44 ID:oQI9zusc(2/2) AAS
>>117
だからその想定はおかしいってことですよ。
何故おかしいかわからんかな。
119: 2017/01/15(日)08:29 ID:y96Aw0Xm(1/2) AAS
Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
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120: 2017/01/15(日)08:29 ID:y96Aw0Xm(2/2) AAS
Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
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121: 2017/01/15(日)11:04 ID:1mBDInq2(1) AAS
今からテニスに行ってきま〜す
寒いけどね〜
122(1): 2017/01/16(月)09:23 ID:5WpgX7SR(1/4) AAS
グリップは変えてもいいことないと思うけどね。
フォームが変わるから練習量が半端なく増える。＝上達が遅れる。
まあ，別に勝ちにこだわらない人は好きにすればいいんじゃないってかんじで。
123(1): 2017/01/16(月)09:42 ID:xHZL0RjV(1/2) AAS
わざわざ刺のある言い方しなくても、人それぞれで十分
124: 2017/01/16(月)09:51 ID:EotP1/Jg(1/11) AAS
oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
省12
125: 2017/01/16(月)10:46 ID:5WpgX7SR(2/4) AAS
>>123
自分は毎日30-60分サーブ練習を週5で3年くらい続けてるけど，まだまだ十分なサーブが打てないのにそれを×２とか×３とかよく体がもつなとびっくりしますわ。
126: 2017/01/16(月)11:22 ID:CchjIjxU(1) AAS
しつこいようだが、身長が高めな人は、やっぱりサーブも入りやすい。
例えば、175〜178cmの人でも、低い人よりは、そこそこ短期でサーブが
身に付くんだ。
もちろん、高い人は、胸元や足元のボレーが返しにくいとか、
不利な点もあるけどね(ダブルスだと特に)
127: 2017/01/16(月)11:54 ID:EotP1/Jg(2/11) AAS
oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
省12
128: 2017/01/16(月)12:20 ID:teKVN4/f(1) AAS
>>13
すごい分かりやすいよ
有難う！
129: 2017/01/16(月)12:41 ID:EotP1/Jg(3/11) AAS
oday is Thursday, February 25th. I'm Mary and you're watching Gamespot news. For the rich. First up, let's all give a round of applause to Victor Kislyi, who made his first billion. The video game industry has a new billionaire in its ranks.
Bloomberg reports today, that Victor Kislyi, founder and CEO of Cyprus based World of Tanks developer Wargaming, has a net worth of one billion. ああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ
Kislyi decline to confirm this number, but in standard rich person fashion, he told the publication that he lives a very modest life-style. He's no wonder put a number in his fortune. Good job Victor, hide your riches.
Money is the topic that i purposely tried to avoid. The company itself has reportedly valued 1.5 billion dollars. Kislyi controls 64 percent of the business directly,
and also has his father's 25.5 percert stake. According to Bloomberg, Wargaming has a network of 150 million users accross the globe. The studio is best known for its free-to-play game World of Tanks, which makes a butt-ton of a cash, through
The Bloomberg profile on Kislyi is a good read, if you're a subscriber to that type of thing, packed with interesting insights into the luxurious life and various investments.
"I really think money doesn't make you happy." Other notable gaming billionares include Mine Craft director Markus Notch Persson, and Valve head Gabe Newell.
Despite Kislyi's modest life-style, we can all look forward to the near future, when he outbids Jay Z and Beyonce in a Beverly Hills mansion and parties with Selena Gomez.
Next stop is a story for a gamer with an average amount of money who we call normies. In normie news., Pokemon Sun and Moon was listed today.
Trademark applications for Pokemon Sun and Moon, including logos, have been published on the European trademark registry.
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